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holiday shoppers say they ran for cover after a gunman wearing a white hockey mask started shooting inside a mall. >> i heard two shots and then after that i heard about 15, 16 more shots. and decided that that was gunshots so i hit the floor. >> good evening i'm julie haener. >> and i'm frank somerville. we're learning more tonight about a frightening shooting that happened at a mall near portland oregon. three people including the
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gunman are dead. a fourth person is fighting for their life. amber lee is monitoring developments and is in the newsroom with what she's found out. >> reporter: the clackamas sheriff department says that they know who the gunman is but they're not ready to release the information. the festive mood turned into food and confusion after the gunman opened fire in the food court area. >> the shots were really loud and really scary. >> i heard three, and when i saw people ran i knew it was not a joke. so i started running. >> reporter: others said me announced i am a shooting before firing. a witness identifyed the gunman as a white man. >> wearing a hockey mask like a
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friday the 13th kind of version of it. sort of white just plain faced hockey mask came jogging through the macy's running toward the public area. he was holding in full view an assault rifle. >> reporter: an army of officers came to the scene. he ran back into macy's. it's unclear how many shots were fired or if the man had more than one gun. >> i see a few people running into sears and away from the middle of the mall saying that they heard shots. >> reporter: this is video shot inside the mall as police evacuated shoppers. authorities have not identified the two people killed by the gunman. or a third person seriously injured. they say law enforcement officers never fired a shot. >> i can confirm that the shooter is dead of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. >> reporter: there is no word
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on what motivated the shooting. the mall was closed and authorities say it will remain closed again tomorrow. they also say a young woman is at a hospital tonight fighting for her life. reporting live, amber lee, ktvu channel 2 news. here in the bay area there are questions about security at a walnut creek mall where a burglar or burglars stole jewelry from macy's in the middle of the night. ktvu's deborah villalon is at the mall and says this isn't the first time. >> you can see the plywood from the first time they smashed and the third one putting them inside. >> wow, unbelievable. >> reporter: shoppers are startled to see how thieves broke out two walls and went
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inside and stole pearls and jewelry. >> terrible, i think it's a sign of the times. >> reporter: it happened at the same macy's store a few years ago. security cameras are key but as of tonight macy's hasn't turned over any surveillance video. >> it would be helpful. the sooner the better. we would like to try to recover the jewelry. >> reporter: police also wonder why when the alarm was tripped at 3:15 a.m. they weren't called until 4:28. >> our officers were on scene within a few minutes and were met by macy's security. i don't have an explanation for why the time lag in the reporting of the alarm. >> they want to try something bigger this time. >> reporter: this jeweler wondering if it's the same burglars who stole $10,000 in watches from his store. steps away from macy's six months ago. his back office still shows the damage from that break-in. after two men sawed through this exterior wall undetected. he believes security patrols at
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broadway plaza could be better. >> they come here once an hour which is not enough especially at night. >> reporter: this store now puts every piece of jewelry in a safe at night and pulls down security shades. neither the mall or macy's will talk about this particular -- burglary or any changes they will make. we do know the burglars used a sledge hammer to break into the mall, because they left it behind. drivers first noticed lights were out at about 7:30. caltrans tells us a main circuit breaker tripped. crews say they took care of the problem and that all the lights were back on just after 9:00 this evening. now to the south bay where santa clara sheriff's deputy took three people into custody. it ended right at the base of mount hamilton.
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sheriff department officials say deputies were suspicious of a white pickup truck so they checked the plates on the car and it came back as a stolen vehicle. the driver took off after being stopped but police eventually stoped the car and took everyone inside into custody. right now we're getting word of developing news in east oakland where police are investigating a shooting just south of the oakland coliseum. we have a photographer on the scene collecting information and we will bring you details as soon as we learn them. the word is now final, four fire stations will be closing. they slated to go dark next month. the county council voted unanimously to shut down the stations. the closures come after voters rejected a parcel tax last month that would have provided
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revenue to keep those stations open. a collective in berkeley could soon be forced to close its doors. berkeley code enforcement says green leaf wellness group is violating city rules by conducting business in a residential area. it now afears mcafee will be releaseed from a detention center in guatemala as early as tomorrow. a judge ruled that his detention is illegal and that he should be released and mcafee's lawyer reiterated that claim. the judge gave mcafee ten days to get his immigration status in order. mcafee says he would like to return to the united states.
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light showers falling throughout the bay right now. i have reports out in the avenues of san francisco. light sprinkles. we've had rain in santa rosa at this hour. we have the radar sweeps going. you can see light showers now showing up. it's very widely scattered. let's go over to this area, downtown oakland you have some light showers right now on 880 up in the oakland hill area you have some showers as well. it's widely scattered but here's the deal. this is just the leading edge of this deal. so there's more coming and it will have an impact on that morning compute. so we'll have all those details when we see you again. repairs to that gaping sink hole are being repaired tonight. as loraine blanco reports, instead of taking months it should take a couple of weeks. >> reporter: instead of christmas joy construction
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noise. it's been a busy day since winter storms left a massive sink hole two sundays ago. the combination of high water levels and a clogged drain opened up a sink hole. now the goal is a few weeks thanks to a contractor specializes on emergency repairs. >> reporter: the company is known for their quick rebuild of the mcarthur maze. bringing in a high profile company is a big relief. >> i can't believe it because they said next spring, and now by christmas. it's going to help a lot of people. >> they'll bring in a bunch of really big pipe.
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10-foot diameter pipe. cc myers will truck in eight sections of that pipe, install it and fix the roadway. >> plus we don't know what kind of problems we're going to have coming in. so better they get it fixed. >> reporter: the city manager say it is maximum cost of this project will be $600,000. lafayette has applied for emergency funding from the state. in lafayette, lorraine blanco. now to daly city where officials say they're ready to spend money for the repairs of a sink hole. there's late word tonight that robby shankar has died. he is the late guitar players
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that is credited for bringing indian music to the world. he met the beatles george harrison in 1956. it was harrison who labeled shankar the king of music. shankar died in san diego, he was 92 years old. a crab compromise. >> it's all about the price. >> how much fresh crab will cost and how soon you can expect it on the the table. >> plus growing marijuana in the backyard. the change one bay area city wants to make to regulate it.
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new details now on the latest homicide in san jose. tonight police are still trying to piece together what happened. matt keller is live now in san jose where the details just keep changing, matt. >> reporter: julie, the last of the police cars here on fair haven drive left in just the past hour. as officers investigate a homicide in what one neighbor told me used to be the safe zip code in san jose. things are not what they appear to be at this unusual crime scene just south of willow glen. even for the police. the original emergency call came in at about 3:00 this
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afternoon for a vehicle accident. paramedics found this white chevy pickup truck against a tree and a person bleeding near by on the street. >> definitely not caused by a car accident. we don't know if that person was even in the car. >> reporter: investigators initially tell me they believe the victim was a 16-year-old boy who appeared to be shot. about two hours later they told me it is more likely the victim was stabbed in the neck and he could be 18 or older. >> if i could sum up this crime scene in one way it would be a geometry scene. there's a lot of angles. >> police say this neighborhood is not known for gang activity, and consider it an isolated incident. >> we've got a very nice neighborhood here. and we've never had anything like this before. >> stay home at night with the wife a little bit more. you know there's not a whole lot i think you can do.
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what are you going to do? move? >> reporter: police tell me the coroner's office will make a final determination on what caused this person's death and give them the insight on the true identity of the victim. matt keller, ktvu. san francisco police have just released surveillance video that shows a man being robbed at gunpoint. the robbery happened on july 5th this year on laguna near cleary. two men drove away in that newer model dodge charger. police say these are photos of the two men that committed the crime. police are asking anyone with any information no matter how small you might think it is to call them. in eight minutes a break in the case of two people found bound and gagged in san francisco. one of whom has since died. what authorities told us today about the charges that five people are now facing. a maintenance worker was killed today in a crash in santa clara county. it happened around noon.
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on mount hamilton road just south of the james lick observatory. highway police tell us the man who works in the observatory was working. >> it's hard enough driving when it's dry. but when it's snow the switch backs and the winding roads becoming very dangerous. authorities have not released the victim's name but say he was in his 50s. we are learning some horrible news details tails tonight about the plane crash that killed mexican american pop star jenni rivera. the jet carrying rivera and six other people plunged from more than 28,000 feet and that it hit the ground on a nose drive at a speed of more than 1,600- miles-an-hour. faulty breaks on a truck
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caused last year's crash in nevada. investors said today that the semi skidded 300 feet right into the train. the mtsb concluded that the driver may have been distracted but they said there wasn't enough evidence to actually include that in their report. right now local crab fishermen are gearing up. in fact, some are heading out in just a matter of hours after being docked out because of a price dispute. tom vacar tells us how soon we could have crab. >> reporter: some tell us they expect to head out after midnight. >> i'm happy that we are going out and make some money finally. >> reporter: crab fishermen stopped fishing last week when
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wholesalers said they were dropping the price from $3 to $2.50 a price. but today they agreed on $3 and crab fishing is back on. >> it's all about the price. we can't fish for less than $3 a pound on this crab. and they got enough orders to put us back to work so we're going to go back to work. >> reporter: some wholesalers say after thanksgiving demand for crab dropped forcing the price down. now with the holidays coming demand is back up. >> they cleared out all of their inventory. so now they're ready to buy more. >> reporter: after fisherman's wharf many rest rapts kept a secret. the crab they were selling was frozen not fresh. >> fresh dungenous crab has a salty taste to it. it's delicious. we'll be back. >> get their bread ripped up and their chardonney cold it's
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time for the holiday season. >> reporter: there should be plenty of fresh crab for the holidays. in san francisco, rob roth, ktvu channel 2 news. in three months, low income workers in san jose will be getting a raise. the minimum wage is going up from $8 an hour to $10 an hour. voters passed the measure last month and today the san jose city council certified the results. the raise will now go into effect in 90 days. san jose is currently working on procedures and policies to let everyone know. after decades of fighting crime, fremont's police chief says he's retired. chief craig steckler is now 68 years old and says it seems like a good time to retire. he plans to step down on december 30th and will work part time to help with the transition. captain richard lucero has been named interim chief. live storm tracker 2
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picking up showers now. we head up first toward north bay and parker avenue area near hercules. now we're over to san pablo. for light showers, reports of sprinkles. these showers have moved off now from san leandro to golf links road. we are looking for these showers to continue tonight as this system moves in. that is a lot of cold air. and this is what's following so the main system is kind of dragging through now but there'll be some impacts on your morning commute. when i come back at 10:45. we'll have all the specifics on what you can expect. i'll run that computer model flowing through. and we'll give you an hour by hour on what you can expect on wednesday. a new twist on those djs who pulled off a royal prank. plus a man's body found,
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a massive natural gas pipeline destroyed six homes and shut down a major freeway this afternoon. fortunately no one was killed in the blast. tonight people who live near the line are being evacuated from their homes due to concerns about another explosion. authorities are still looking into the cause. two men are behind bars tonight after a short police chase. police say the chase started about 4:45 at durant and 14th. officers say they tried to pull over two men as a routine traffic stop.
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but instead the men sped off and police gave chase. the two abandoned their car and tried to give chase on foot. it appears one man was carrying a gun. both men were eventually caught and arrested. more now on tonight's developing news in east oakland. we have learned a man was found shot to death on hawkins drive near armstrong drive. this is a residential area south of the coliseum. police were called out around 8:30 tonight and at the scene, our photographers saw at least two markers indicating shell casings. police have called for a translator saying that the victim's family are asian. at this time they are not sure what happened. police in san francisco have arrested five people in connection with a violent crime there involving two victims found bound and gagged in the middle of a residential street. as ktvu's david stevenson reports, four of the five people under arrest are women. san francisco police this afternoon announced arrests and
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a violent crime that stunned this visitation valley neighborhood. two people, one identified as steven reed the other described as an 18 to 19-year-old woman found lying on russell street bound and gagged and badly injured. >> the male victim appeared to have blunt trauma. the female victim also appeared to have blunt force trauma. >> reporter: reed died later that night. the young woman is in critical condition but is recovering. >> investigators followed up on leads that led them to a house in hercules, california where we took into custody five individuals. >> reporter: police arrested 31- year-old maelene lintz and montrail brackens on murder charges. and tiler miller and heather leach and maryann manalastas are charged with accessory to murder. >> it was established there was a relationship between the
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victims and suspects in this case. >> reporter: police aren't saying where the victims were beaten and shot or why they were left in this quiet neighborhood. >> motive is unknown it's part of the investigation process to try to determine what exactly happened with the motive. >> reporter: we asked to speak to the suspects being held in jail but all of them declined an interview today. in san francisco, david stevenson, ktvu channel 2 news. the australian radio station involved in the royal prank could be facing charges. the host called the hospital inquiring about kate middleton's morning sickness. still ahead here, free flu shots for children. no strings attached. christmas came early here at at&t park for some children
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the city of concord is looking to draft a new ordnance that would move outdoor marijuana grows indoors. the issue has turned neighbor against neighbor. christien kafton has the story. >> reporter: the city council meeting ended just moments ago. the meeting was taking place just a few doors down. the neighbors complained about the smells of the farms and voiced concerns about neighborhood safety. >> continue in this thing i will declare you out of order.
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you have had your time, we understand your position. we understand your point. >> no i don't think you do. >> reporter: emotions ran high over whether the city of concord should force legal marijuana grows indoors. some living next door to the outdoor growing operations say the smell is offensive. but what they're most worried about is criminals coming into quiet neighborhoods like this one looking to take the plants by force if necessary. >> you get a little worried especially after a break-in that somebody is going to come with a gun or something else is going to happen and that's the worse case scenario. >> reporter: one grower said the only time his operation was targeted was following reports about his grow. >> by throwing it inside you're allowing that person to come into your house, threaten your family and hurt your family. when if you're sleeping at night and that person hops the fence and taking a plant, who does that hurt? >> reporter: the city council opted to send the issue to the
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legal department says they want a way to protect the neighborhood without infringing on the rights of the growers. >> there has been some changes that we know we need to respond to as elected officials and try to find the balance in the community with rights on both sides. >> reporter: the city's legal department will now draft the ordnance it will likely limit growths to the inside of the primary resident on properties meaning no greenhouse and will likely only be enforced if there's a neighborhood complaint. christien kafton, ktvu news. today the state auditor released details on fraud and abuse cases. from april 2011 to june of 2012 the auditor says it completed 16 investigations totaling over $600,000. in the biggest case two state workers in los angeles
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conspired to submit fraud. they were convicted of bribery and required to pay back the money. whistle blowers provide vital information. >> typically it's another state employee that sees something is going on and something wrong is happening and they report it to us. >> other cases included improper travel expenses, falsified insurance claims and illegal reimbursement for commute payment. the flu shots are available for children four to 18 years old at most target store pharmacies in the bay area. it's all part of the shoo the flu program. you can go to ktvu.com for more details including target store locations and pharmacy hours. you will need to scroll down until you get to the web links section. the dow gained 78 points
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the nasdaq was up 35. investors responded to positive reports from washington, d.c. on the fiscal cliff. the solar panel installation company solar city postponed it's plans to go public late today. the san mateo company had planned to offer its initial offerings tomorrow on the nasdaq. no reason was given for the postponement but it came after the owner bought $15 million woát of -- $15 million worth of shares possibly to try to boost values. delta used to have three daily nighs now -- daily nights now it has nine. more than 46,000 people signed the petition calling for the school system to scrap the
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logo. even lieutenant governor newsom agreed. as part of the board of regents i agree with petition, new logo is a disaster. sign the petition. a bit of holiday cheer spread at the uc berkeley campus with word that a scholarship is being set up for low income undocumented students. the university says the scholarship will help nearly 200 undocumented students from 20 different countries. >> what it tells our students is if you work hard and you get into uc berkeley now you have support. what we've seen in the past when undocumented students were earning their way into uc berkeley they were really excited but the next question that came after that was, how do i pay for it. >> in the past, the haas family gave funds to set up programs like tutoring services for low
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income students. the king tide will be moving in and people are being asked to share their images of the event. >> reporter: on thursday the tide should be even higher with a king tide. >> basically a king tide is just a natural tpe no, -- phenomenon it's the highest tide of the year. >> reporter: they monitor tides and how they effect the bay. as for the king tide. >> in some places it'll be a couple of inches in difference in other places it could be several feet. >> the king tide is expected to create minor flooding but the hope is that it will do more good than harm. >> use this as a chance to reflect on climate change in our own locations.
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>> reporter: on this website the california king tide initiative people are encouraged to send in pictures of the king tide to help create images to show what climate change may look like some day. >> it gives us a glimpse about what sea level rise is going to look like in the future. >> reporter: this road running through china camp flooded and it will likely do so again on thursday. the exact impact on any particular location could change based on weather to any number of factors. ken pritchett, ktvu news. >> and we have a link where you can share your photos. international warnings defied. what we know so far about a rocket launch tonight by north korea. back here in just 10 minutes, tracking showers right now that are moving through the area. how they impact your wednesday morning commute.
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there were some horrifying moments tonight for a woman and her 8-year-old son after a molotov cocktail was thrown right through the window of their apartment. the woman told investigators she heard the sound of breaking glass then ran into the living room where the fire was burning. firefighters say they found both stories of the apartment in flames. fortunately she and her son escaped at this point no arrests have been made. police in hayward say two men are in custody after a smash and grab robbery at southland mall it happened not far from santa's village where children have their pictures
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taken with santa. one suspect wearing a mask went into the mall around 12:15 this afternoon. they said he used a hammer to smash displays at the diamond ring company. that store is right next to santa's workshop. an accomplice waiting in a car helped him get away with $145,000 in jewelry. but officers were on their trail. >> vehicle came to a stop at cal rogan peterman where the vehicle stopped on its own with several units behind them. the driver was detained in the vehicle. >> reporter: the passenger ran into the neighborhood. half an hour later he was also taken into custody. the suspected killer of south bay teen sierra lamar is said to be arraigned tomorrow on new charges. garcia torrez facing three counts of attempted kidnapping stemming from alleged attacks at two morgan safeway stores back in 2009. garcia torrez is also expected to enter a plea tomorrow in the sierra lamar case. in news of the world tonight, in north korea the
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government announced it has successfully launched a long range rocket. u.s. officials condemned the launch calls it a highly provocative act. in syria the main opposition group is being recognized by the obama administration as the sole legitimate representative of the syrian people. the state department said al nuzra is a front for al-qaida. there's fighting in the streets of belfast again tonight. the battles have been going on for a week. age old rivalries between protestant and catholics. the votes are in and the
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results mean facebook users will no longer have a say in policy changes on the site. more than 670,000 users voted this week. but the menlo park company said 1/3 of its users would have had to vote about 300 million people would have had to vote for it to count. >> sunny vale based yahoo unveiled their redesign today along with new apps for smart phones and tablets. analysts say yahoo remains the number one e-mail service in the u.s. but g-mail is closing in. tis' the season for face painting and kids having a lot of fun. even a seal in a santa outfit. we're going to show you some of the holiday spirit that was on display inside at&t park. bill martin is tracking rain right now. he'll tell us if there's
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another system behind this one. and remember you can get
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the holiday spirit was on display today at the home of the san francisco giants. but as ktvu's rita williams reports the main attraction wore a visiting uniform. >> reporter: the lines were back at at&t park today but the draw was not the world champion giants, it was -- >> santa claus. and i want for christmas, is a new stuffed animal. >> reporter: inside santa got some help from lu seal as they treated people to a few hours of hol day fun. >> on there, now you have yourself a laser pop gun that's
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for you. >> reporter: wide eyed wonder as their faces were all a glow with -- the -- >> giants. >> reporter: pizza filled their bellies. >> it's cool. >> reporter: and there was the magic of christmas quite literally. >> just for my kids to be happy. i don't have the money to give my kids what they want for christmas so i bring them to parties and stuff like that. >> reporter: with two boys of his own, romo told me he loves being with the children. >> very gratifying for me. so it's special for them. >> they feel special and that's what it's about. >> reporter: at this time of the year some youngsters here have dreams as big as any child. >> what do you want for christmas? >> a lot. >> a galaxy three. >> the i pad. >> a scooter.
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a camera. >> reporter: for others heart felt wishes much bigger than their years, like to move out of a shelter for this 13-year- old. >> apartment or a house, yeah. >> reporter: they all left with their hands full knowing some dreams do come true. in san francisco, rita williams, ktvu channel 2 news. and at ktvu.com we have posted more of rita's interview today with sergio romo. britain may become the next country to legal same-sex marriage. the country announced it plans to introduce a bill next year. the bar would ban the church of england to assure opponents that they would not be forced to take part.
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>> fbi study shows hate crimes have declined. anti gay violence accounted for 21% of all hate crimes. hate crimes are vastly under reported in many parts of the country. gun rights supporters are cheering what they call an historic decision, overturning illinois's ban on concealed weapons. the seventh circuit court of appeals found the gun ban violates -- the city to city bus is known for low fairs in many cases $1. mega bus will offer direct service from san francisco and oakland to los angeles as well as trips from san francisco to
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sacramento and on to reno. the company briefly operated in california in 2007 before canceling service due to lack of demand. light cool showers moving through the area right now. we've had light sprinkles reported from santa rosa south to the fremont area and out toward hayward. we'll come in close and we're tracking the latest sell as it -- latest cell as it moves on to the dunbarton bridge. then we come across here. there's the dunbarton bridge, palo alto you have light showers right now. west middle field road. those showers are headed your way. we head over toward fremont in the next five or six months, fremont you're going to get wet. we're seeing a little bit heavier rainfall but it's not the gully washer in compareson to what we saw last week. and san jose you're just getting ready to get wet because in the next few hours
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these showers will visit you. unstable air will be with us between now basically and tomorrow midday. so we're looking for scattered showers late tonight into the very early morning hour compute. by 9:00, 10:00 i think we're going to start to clear out and maybe even some see blue. might see a little dusting of snow on top of mount hamilton or mount diablo. 10:00 tonight there's the showers, computer model moves in by midnight as we're talking about it. up into the hold mountains. they're getting snow up there.more showers offshore on friday. there's your morning commute. the roadways are wet but it probably won't be too much rain. few scattered sprinkles, 8:00 a.m. just whatever is left over from the night before might slow you down. might be a little patchy dense folly fog as well as we try to
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clear out. you see a will lot of agotivety -- activity here. this looks like it wants to be a drive by system. not a big deal either but we'll be tracking it for you. that's for friday morning then it clears out. we have a bunch of these very cold arctic polar systems coming our way. they don't bring a lot of rain because they are so cold. when cold weather starts moving our way it can't thold a lot of water. last week, temperatures were in the 60s and they're going to be around here in the 50s. we're thinking very light rain amounts. in the mountains the snow levels are very low. >> it returned quickly. >> it sure did, yeah. a new study by australian and new zealand researchers found that healthy foods steered people to a more healthy diet. cuts the price of healthy
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fruits and vegetables will cut the price by 10%. but reducing the
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mark is off, joe is here tonight. too bad st. mary could not play jackson state every night. >> there's a blow out and then there's what st. mary's did tonight at jackson university. scoring not a problem for st. mary's. the gails ran up 52 points in the first half. belevedoba goes downtown and pulls up for two of his floaters. the fails with 23 of 23. st.mary's scored 68 in the second half winning by a score of 1.67. one point short of the school's sering. three games remane in the nfl regular season and allly things have very interesting
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for the 49ers with brady they will see brady in the game. stole 19 touchdown passes and one interception. the 49ers detenders know how much brady can change the game. >> you have to bring your a plan, if, you have to watch biselle. things have mings messed up for it. >> a new trip today in the
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magria this suggestion pepgss against the coaches and front office members most honorably sean peyton was uphill. the san francisco's giant fans have a lot to celebrate. they hosted the party they've been hupting for 12 years now during the hol days or the 250 kid or familys from local. >> ever like to see guys go but whatever they have to do is for the better of the team. i'm here as a san francisco giant as long as i wear that uniform i'm here to do what they ask. whether a pitcher is picked every six days or nights i have to be willing and ready. if they ask me to pitch whatever inning i'm ready to rock. >> giants basking in a little
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season glow and they should be. >> and he's read deto rock.
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